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They are a result of many, many things - stress, mental effort, lack of water, overuse of a computer, etc.

1:15 AM

And, not all people making a tulpa get them either.

1:16 AM

So - I would not recommend using them as an indicator simply due to their unreliability.

that may be, but i've never experienced headpressure without Em directly being the cause

1:16 AM

headaches, sure. but not just pressure

I've only head headpressures relating to particularly "straining" forcing activities

Otherwise, @rosewinsall, continuing to force over time will result in success - one other thing to keep in mind is to not assume responses are necessarily your tulpa or not. If you don't know, you don't know. False negatives and false positives can both be harmful.

or what could be called headpressures, the sort of mental stress you get when trying to learn math

@Talin Most people also become hypersensitive to 'head pressures' when they are told they are common for making tulpas.

1:18 AM

Whether or not this is the case for you, many people do also not remember feeling them in the past because they aren't considered significant events.

1:19 AM

If they pay attention outside the context of making a tulpa, they may feel a kind of 'pressure' as well.

even directed head pressure like i described with right or left? i'd argue that's comparably reliable. i'll give you generic pressure, but idk about directed

I do need to leave for now, apologies.

1:20 AM

@Talin Yes, actually.

1:21 AM

Some people experience pressure around their eyes, for example.

1:21 AM

Temples are also common.

1:21 AM

In any case, as I said - I do need to leave for now.

1:21 AM

I trust you'll be a good foil for people, Reguile.

Bye Winter

take care

foil I will

I am foiled

ha

oh no

1:25 AM

so what is sure fire

1:26 AM

is any of this sure fire (edited)

I don't think there is any sure-fire way to go about things

1:26 AM

That said, I think you can know that your forcing is valuable or not

1:27 AM

Specifically, in that I prefer to look at forcing as the development of skills that lie within you

1:27 AM

Consider, you do nothing but narrate

1:28 AM

days and days and days of narration. You do the same thing every day, you're not actually doing much, even if you're forcing.

You'd have a very bored tulpa

afk a sec, sorry

we'll never forgive you Reguile

How to add variety?

well, you could meditate, you could work on vizualization, you can use symbolism to imagine filling up your tulpa with ppersonality traits you want (completely optional, btw) or just filling them in with life, imagining them "filling out" as it were

I tried something I read in one guide of telling them over and over they are the traits you wants

aye, that's fair

Personality forcing is ❌

yes and no

1:33 AM

it's unnecesary

Letting them grow and develop naturally over time is ✅

gotta love the differing opinions

1:33 AM

:)

yeah, everybody looks at it differently

Read my guide, it is best guide

i read once that a really good way is that instead of telling your tulpa what traits to have, you take the traits that you want them to have, and explain to them what the traits mean, and why they are important to have P.S piano your guide is amazing

that's a solid idea Star

You choose a list of traits for characters, not people. Tulpas are people and will grow and develop their personality gradually through time and experience

1:35 AM

Listing traits is pretty meaningless once actual experiences start shaping them

1:36 AM

And it can possibly cause them distress or an identity crisis

i don't really see the harm as long as you allow and accept when they choose to deviate

they are like kids in a way. even if you decide things they will change

I really don't agree with trying to make someone into what you want through something so unnatural and forced

aye

Teach them values

1:37 AM

Don't force traits

personally, i let Em be whoever she wanted to be, but i've heard a fair few stories where no harm came of it

Nobody chooses their personality, it's something that just happens over time

yes and no. An inherently sad person can make the decision to let the sadness go and be happy (edited)

Well that's not so much personality as it is a mindset

there are of course horror stories of people so indoctrinated their only traits cone from what their parents wanted them to have

it''s a poor example

Might get me some shit, but I think the strongest method for personality is a constructed backstory or to use an original character (edited)

...yeah don't do that

1:41 AM

Tulpas aren't OCs, holy shit

they can grow from OC's

sorry, existing character, not original chracter

Once they become sentient they cease to be a character

1:42 AM

And the char self has absolutely no connection to them anymore since they were not sentient anyway

i'll give you that

so forcing can be bad if it is just one kind

1:44 AM

false negatives and positives are bad

1:45 AM

don't force traits

sounds about right

1:45 AM

believe your tulpa is there, love them, and everything will flow from there

I wouldn't say forcing can be bad, but that you will get diminishing returns if you don't challenge yourself and seek to do new things.

uh huh

1:51 AM

I narrated a little tipsy for the first time

1:51 AM

still just narrating though

i was sicker than a dog when i first started :P

1:51 AM

had nothing better to do than narrate all day

I've returned momentarily.

1:57 AM

I entirely support varied forcing - more and different experiences are equally important for self-development, and the same applies to tulpas.

i like bees

I don't support personality forcing either for a similar reason to not assuming false positives or negatives. It can result in success, but the goal is not speed of creation. It is success.

1:59 AM

And... Personality forcing, just like assuming false positives or negatives, can lead to pitfalls preventing or severely inhibiting that success.

2:00 AM

Not to mention, the prior points about it being somewhat silly to tell another person what they are based on what you want them to be, rather than describing what you want them to be and why, allowing them to choose for themselves based on as much information you can give them.

while I don't have issues with personality forcing, I do find it hard to interact with a non-responsive being

2:00 AM

occasional pressures aside

they don't remain non-responsive forever, keep forcing and you'll get a response eventually

I know. Patience is a virtue and so on

Indeed.

2:01 AM

Alright. I must leave again. Take care.

bye winter

2:14 AM

hello spring

<Yeah, personalities, like in people from outside your head, develop over time for tuppers.>

2:49 AM

2:49 AM

And with anything personality related, “deviation” will happen

2:50 AM

For instance I was a one-note robotic character sorta person before fully gaining sentience, but I’ve developed heavily into my own person